Talk:Print Kiosk

WORK SESSION 1 🤯

18 September 2018 Manetta, Andre, Clara

Transcribed Conversations + Developer Post-Scripts

DEVELOPER POST-SCRIPTS

MANETTA: Students who want to change the CSS? They are allowed to do so in individual pages, but not on home page Prioritize, now it's more important to fix structure and other concerns If students will be involved as editors, they can be added to the administrator right group Where is the admin page with instructions and manual?

CLARA: User Permissions... What is semantic wiki curator?

ANDRE: Tim Berners Lee (semantic wiki) how machines can query the web in a smart way, if I ask a question that is very specific, this information must be translated to queries for a machine to understand, It would be a big change from how we normally query information via google search, it didn’t really work because it’s a chaotic place and it needs an agreement on vocabularies and lots of manual labor, the universe is too large for this, but within a small universe such as a wiki it works wikipedia was having roblemsw its their categorization because for instance if you have an example such as Trump, categories start to overlap because there is no limit to what you can say any given thing is so it created a profusion of categorizations… territory is flat, no hierarchy, so semantic media wiki came as a way to address that problem but in the meantime wikipedia started working with Wikidata it’s a very structured, very dry categorization of objects and entries, in several languages, with property and value (continent would be property and Asia would be the value and Philippines would be the object of the search).. it’s problematic, a bit of a mindfuck, often the more official and correct ways of doing it are very constraining you really need a group of editors that understands and designs the information structure.

At the moment we use the category mechanism which is using different boxes

Category: Easy to add new, difficult to remove old tags from all instances, but you can remove a category

CLARA: Editorial Board: Semantic Committee Could edit categories? Is there a place where they are defined? A glossary of categories? Could be included in the article relation, when you click on it there is a definition. This could be the task of the new editorial board or semantic committee, an admission that the task of categorization is fundamentally fluid. We should have our own definitions, as well as link to other texts or definitions that we find useful

Yes, all the categories that we work with are listed on this page: http://beyond-social.org/wiki/index.php/Topic:Topics. To add a topic: make a page in the format Topic:yourtopichere and copy/paste the smw query from another topic page, for example from Topic:Activism. It will add your new topic to the umbrella category "Topics", which is queried on the Topic:Topics page. (A bit of an iterative act..:) we use it to make the overview pages with the thumbnails.) 

> i copied this over to the Administrators_tips page.

A few notes on categories && semantic tags:

* Categories <> Semantic tagging. Semantic Tags ... are more nuanced, in the way that a tag contains a semantic direction of the 'grouping' so to say. For example: by categories you place "trump" in the category "president", in the semantic tagging system, you tag "trump" with the tag "position" : "president". The intention of the category is not "blanco", or the act of categorising is not  but it comes with a direction, namely "position".
* add a link to the topic in the Form:Article layout 
* add the description of each topic to the topic page

CLARA: List of basic wiki commands?

MANETTA: You mean syntax

CLARA: Does it exist? Can it be embedded from another page?

MANETTA: Yes, it's the Manual section (right now it's on the horizontal menu at the top of the page (> http://beyond-social.org/wiki/index.php/Manual)

ANDRE: The act of hyperlinking/embedding to other pages or wikis (interwikis) with the same software (mediawiki), basically making them part of your ecosystem. We can add shortcuts/ short extensions TRANSCLUSION: Concept by Ted Nelson

MANETTA + CLARA *convo*: menu (Mediawiki:Sidebar) on the top, creating more accessible/legible names, making it clear that there is an editing corner so to speak. switching the special pages to the editing menu, calling it something like do some maintenance. also the contributions menu option is like an activity log, name should clear.

CLARA: What is the beyond social publishing page? mostly online publications?

MANETTA + ANDRE: 3 publications. 1 wiki to print folder, loose sheets on the table and people could collect material into the folder. 2nd round of this. Maybe some fliers (used those in print kiosk for grad show) Who knows this well is Kimmy.

CLARA *thought bubble*: We need to document the print history of Beyond Social a little better? Also we need to bind the last print kiosk collection and photograph. Need to ask for student help once all the urgent shit is sorted.

CLARA + MANETTA *convo*: Need to rewrite user manuals or editor manuals (or page editing interface -- the article form) so that people know how to use each form in the best way. issue of uploading photos twice or multiple times can be addressed here.

A: Working with Mediawiki , a good book that goes from very basic editing to very complex subjects such as semantic media wiki, etc... http://www.workingwithmediawiki.com/book/

MANETTA: mostly student works on BS this year, before it was teachers and externals mostly but not all of the old articles are available on the site since they haven't been formatted to the new structure. but theyre searchable.

MANETTA: 378 content articles listed "main namespace" excluding the pages that are under user namespace or under files or under media wiki admin pages, sometimes there are copies with different title name

http://beyond-social.org/wiki/index.php/Special:AllPages

DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS

7 September 2018 Manetta, Kimmy, Andre, Clara

25 May 2018 Manetta, Iris, Clara

Notes From Two Meetings Transcribes as Call-Response

CALL

RESPONSE

Students don’t understand it, find it hard to contribute

Is it a publishing platform or an archive?

Started as a magazine=type thing based on Wikipedia platform

Manta came in between issue 2 and 3 , discussions around strutting of content and categories and topics

The fact that teana needed to choose a category, and names of the categories themselves

————what is the location of the category? Via semantic—— vocabulary issue

Wikipedia faced this problem because people start creating categories that are synonyms

It’s not a technological question, it’s an archive problem

, questions on changing structure every issue, but wiki makes difficult because changes would mean archival structure is gone

Can the wiki as a reading space be welcoming and by nature it isn’t, the solution was redesigning the wiki so it’s more appealing as a reading space. The other option that we developed in the first few issues was to have a separate reading interface where the content was pulled in

THURSDAY 13 7 PM talk in Amsterdam Renee turner talk Warp and Weft of Memory, includes stuff of semantic wiki

used to be text driven, now its rethought used wiki not just as backend but use it in fullest glory, functions

Went to use the wiki as a wiki again, to use the functions, not pulling it from another website

layers of using wiki, social dimension

Underutilized at the moment

talk page function, place to get comments

Without having a critical mass that could sustain it on its own
bS should be Playground! Sandbox
Social practice didn’t own it, Kimmy was brought it in the project to keep it alive

social layers to be included in interface, make our own layout for the interface, skin

Very important, students annoyed cos they needed to have structure to make the front pages visible, everything is in a form, there is no creativity

Get rid of those forms, still think of image attached to an article

ONE OPEN FIELD, insert html
Take over in color schemes
Separation between layout and structure of content
None of them have to be fixed

listening to the wiki and seeing what to do with functions of the wiki instead of forcing into a strict template which reveals its problems.. wikis are more fluid, templates we we’re making were more magazine-like

editathons were helpful to remove workload from manetta

EDITORIALS - used to be framed within issues

PRINT VERSION in time for ELIA conference

Avenir Heavy - Font

ELIA - November 2018 Finished by October 2018 Concept of publication should be done by July

How do you keep on this playfulness, bring a human dimension to the machine element

Design that is changeable Collecting the material assembling the material (more in the sense of downloading)

Cherry picking

Printer talking to you
Create a series of questions that lead us to certain selection
LaTeX it’s a printing layout language for creating typographically correct documents
Can change a lot but you have to play with rules

Christophe Haag —— based in cologne, freeze.sh

Making a printer to speak to you
Different forms of uploading, Mac frank and Giulia, a physical scanner that makes it easy to upload to the wiki

ELIA conference gives a short pitch for Beyond Social

Slideshow Application by Iris,